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Old 01-13-2018, 10:18 PM   #11
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If I sold all the ones I don't play, I'd have maybe 4 guitars. Are you insane?
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That's the plan, duh.

Not really. After my child support obligations were terminated, I had LOTS more disposable income, and I just went batshit buying stuff. It's mostly out of my system, and I want to be a little more responsible, and when a teenaged kid tells you you're a packrat, you're a packrat. Somehow, my son learned to be a minimalist.

I'm not materialistic, and neither are my kids, but that can make one kind of reckless. If I want something, I'm gonna get it, and I really don't think long term enough. Eh, my kids know I'm not leaving them squat.
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Yeah, I've done that kind of thing before. I have 4 guitars now but they are all recent purchases. I sold all the old stuff. I sold more than I recently bought.

If I get tired of one of my guitars, I'll sell it but I would probably buy another guitar. If you buy used you don't lose much selling. You can always have guitars that you love at the moment.
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I took this pic last night, to see how my new guitar looked. I think 10 guitars can be seen here, and I have at least 5 in closets.

I think I'm selling the Epi 339 pro, possibly the Epi SG, and the Ibanez AG-95 which is far right. The PRS may even go. I'd break even, probably, if sold locally. Possibly make a bit on it.

Everything looks tilted, because I live on a boat.

But, this is getting ridiculous.
Nice collection . Actually your the man to ask I reckon. I want to get a guitar with a trem. I like things as diverse as satchs dive bombs, Jeff becks warbling trem sound he creates.

I wonder about a CV strat, my experience with strat trems is they go out of tune all the time. That is something I cant handle, I wonder about Ibanez What models might hold tuning better. Or any good cheapo guitar that holds tuning using a trem. Wondered on your thoughts, if you know much about this area.
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The trems used in PRS SE's seem pretty good. One used with locking tuners would be even better I suppose.
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I have the little Epi SG also and it is fun to play. Thanks for the info.
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The trems used in PRS SE's seem pretty good. One used with locking tuners would be even better I suppose.
Yeah thinking locking trems will fair better, Played a PRS SE in a pawnshop a while back, Must have been setup bad as it didn't sound great. Muddy and wooly. Had the same problem with 2 or 3 Epis I played. Why is it people who pawn guitars never seem to have a nice one, or poorly setup.
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Nice collection . Actually your the man to ask I reckon. I want to get a guitar with a trem. I like things as diverse as satchs dive bombs, Jeff becks warbling trem sound he creates.
Or, I could be the worst guy to ask, because I have so many guitars. As opposed to someone who only plays strats, and strats only. But, like everyone else, I have an opinion.

I LOVE Jeff Beck, by the way. I've listened to him for 40 years, but have only appreciated his mastery of the trem only in the past few years.

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I wonder about a CV strat, my experience with strat trems is they go out of tune all the time. That is something I cant handle, I wonder about Ibanez What models might hold tuning better. Or any good cheapo guitar that holds tuning using a trem. Wondered on your thoughts, if you know much about this area.
Strat trems- the vintage, 6 screw ones can be a real bear to both set to float, then intonate. A strat can benefit from locking tuners far more than a PRS, because a PRS is simply better made.

I float all my trems. For me, part of the secret in keeping them in tune is, have 3 springs oriented like this: \|/ - My theory is, and it's just a theory, since I don't know how others keep their floating trems in tune, the pull/tension on the trem plate is evenly distributed. Why not have the 3 springs aligned ||| ? I would say that the springs don't necessarily have equal tension, and over time, they will lose their tension unequally. I hate to change strings to begin with, but I think old strings benefit staying in tune with a vintage trem system because the strings are going to be as stretched as they'll ever get. I'm not crazy about the break-in period on new strings because you're constantly retuning, trem, or not. For me, that's pretty much it. I'm sure others have their own theories and reasoning that work for them. But I think locking tuners absolutely helps in maintaining tuning.

I found the the modern 2-point trem system strange at first, then I realized (or theorized) that the vintage strat trem plate doesn't seem to move as one; it seems to "drag," meaning as you press the bar down, the bass side lifts first, due to the heavier gauge and tension of the string, and the rest of the strings "catch up." I have no idea if this is true, but that's my perception. Without a doubt, you have to work harder with a vintage trem. Some people say to lubricate the nut, but I've never lubed a nut (that's what she said) in my life.

The 2-point trem doesn't have 6 screws; it has 2 posts, and the plate seems to pivot on them. Why doesn't it "drag" like on the vintage trem? I have no idea. Past a certain point, I don't care why/how something works; I care when it doesn't, then I try to figure out how to make it work the way I want. So that's my theories on the strat vintage trem system. I can say without a doubt, that my strats can be set to float, and stay in tune. Oh, one little trick that I found when dealing with my Bigsby- another notoriously "it won't stay in tune" trem system- I found with a Bigsby, if you're going slightly out of tune, you pull UP on the bar, and it returns to "zero" where you're in tune. I do that with my Strats on occasion, and it works. Could be strat nuts would benefit from being lubed. I dunno, and don't care at this point. In the Gretsch-Talk forum, the Bigsby users also pull up on the bar to get back into tuning; whether it truly translates to a vintage strat trem? No idea, but it works for me.

All CV strats have the vintage trem. They were the absolutely best crafted guitars I'd ever laid my hands on (until I got the PRS, and the quality of the PRS is better by a few hairs). My 50s CV strat sounds like a 50s strat- great for surf music, and a bit more. Personally, I'd prefer a CV 60s for a more modern sound. That's why I chose the Classic Player 60s strat (the light blue one). The pickups aren't an apples to apples comparison; the CV likely has ceramic pickups, and MiM (often) and most definitely American made strats have alnico pickups. The Classic Player has Custom 69 pickups. I don't get the same guitars to have every one of them to sound alike, I get different guitars because they sound different. Why didn't I simply get a CV 60s strat? I could have saved a lot, but I simply wanted a guitar I didn't want to mod in any way. And I confess I wanted the "Fender" logo on the headstock, for that magical mojo- totally psychological. I agree with every single person that says a Squier sounds every bit as good as an American strat. I also have an American strat (the Classic Player is MiM). That's the worst strat of the bunch I've had. It's a "Smith era" strat, with the output on the face of the guitar. Strats made in the 80s-90s, are the worst strats ever made- excepting the ones made in Japan, which are practically collectibles now, and cost a small fortune.

As far as Ibanez, and trems, I've had something from their RG line, with a Floyd trem, and locking nuts. IMO, the absolute best in maintaining tuning. If you've never setup a Floyd loaded guitar, good luck in learning how to change the strings. I don't whammy like Satch, so I gave the RG away. The guitar you see peeking on the far left, is an Ibanez AG-95- a jazzbox, but who says you have to play jazz on it? That may go on the selling block.

Charvel make fantastic guitars, but I think most come loaded with a Floyd Rose trem.

Now, if we're talking best bang for your bux with a trem? I say CV ALL the way. The red strat on the floor is my CV strat. I got it used from a Guitar Center for $249.99. With tax, just about $280. That's still better than most CVs I see on ebay. Percentage-wise, CVs hold value better than an American strat that's used. A new guitar loses about 30% as soon as you walk out the door, because it's "used." An American Standard Strat goes for about $1400; a MiM around $800ish or more; a CV brand new? About $400. Whew, good luck in reading this, but that's my opinion.

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The Epi SG is really solid. I'm just not a great fan of the SG look. It's not worth selling on ebay, due to the shipping costs, so I may try my luck on my local facebook selling group. I may keep it, only because I can't sell. I may change my mind about ebaying it, and just take whatever $ I can get. For me, having this many guitars is bordering on insanity, when I live in a NYC apartment.

No one holds a candle to a member here...Brian Krapshank? as far as sheer number of guitars. He must have over a hundred. But he has a house, and keeps a lot of them in his garage, and office. I don't have that luxury. I'm not sure I'd have that many guitars under any circumstance.

I don't judge Brian. He's not a brand snob, buys cheap, often trades/sells. I have little patience with brand snobs. For me, a guitar is a plank of wood with pickups. I pay more for the looks, I'll admit.

Fact: an Epi LP is better designed than any Gibson LP. The angle of the head stock is about 18 degrees, and the string spread is what causes tuning issues, not to mention the quality control of Gibson has gone down in the past...10-15 years. For non-Fenders, it's Epi all the way, relative to Gibson. I'm sure there's many other brands that are just as good, but I grew up in the classic rock era, so everything was a Fender or a Gibby.
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Mine isn't quite as insane but here they are...

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Or, I could be the worst guy to ask, because I have so many guitars. As opposed to someone who only plays strats, and strats only. But, like everyone else, I have an opinion.

I LOVE Jeff Beck, by the way. I've listened to him for 40 years, but have only appreciated his mastery of the trem only in the past few years.


Strat trems- the vintage, 6 screw ones can be a real bear to both set to float, then intonate. A strat can benefit from locking tuners far more than a PRS, because a PRS is simply better made.

I float all my trems. For me, part of the secret in keeping them in tune is, have 3 springs oriented like this: \|/ - My theory is, and it's just a theory, since I don't know how others keep their floating trems in tune, the pull/tension on the trem plate is evenly distributed. Why not have the 3 springs aligned ||| ? I would say that the springs don't necessarily have equal tension, and over time, they will lose their tension unequally. I hate to change strings to begin with, but I think old strings benefit staying in tune with a vintage trem system because the strings are going to be as stretched as they'll ever get. I'm not crazy about the break-in period on new strings because you're constantly retuning, trem, or not. For me, that's pretty much it. I'm sure others have their own theories and reasoning that work for them. But I think locking tuners absolutely helps in maintaining tuning.

I found the the modern 2-point trem system strange at first, then I realized (or theorized) that the vintage strat trem plate doesn't seem to move as one; it seems to "drag," meaning as you press the bar down, the bass side lifts first, due to the heavier gauge and tension of the string, and the rest of the strings "catch up." I have no idea if this is true, but that's my perception. Without a doubt, you have to work harder with a vintage trem. Some people say to lubricate the nut, but I've never lubed a nut (that's what she said) in my life.

The 2-point trem doesn't have 6 screws; it has 2 posts, and the plate seems to pivot on them. Why doesn't it "drag" like on the vintage trem? I have no idea. Past a certain point, I don't care why/how something works; I care when it doesn't, then I try to figure out how to make it work the way I want. So that's my theories on the strat vintage trem system. I can say without a doubt, that my strats can be set to float, and stay in tune. Oh, one little trick that I found when dealing with my Bigsby- another notoriously "it won't stay in tune" trem system- I found with a Bigsby, if you're going slightly out of tune, you pull UP on the bar, and it returns to "zero" where you're in tune. I do that with my Strats on occasion, and it works. Could be strat nuts would benefit from being lubed. I dunno, and don't care at this point. In the Gretsch-Talk forum, the Bigsby users also pull up on the bar to get back into tuning; whether it truly translates to a vintage strat trem? No idea, but it works for me.

All CV strats have the vintage trem. They were the absolutely best crafted guitars I'd ever laid my hands on (until I got the PRS, and the quality of the PRS is better by a few hairs). My 50s CV strat sounds like a 50s strat- great for surf music, and a bit more. Personally, I'd prefer a CV 60s for a more modern sound. That's why I chose the Classic Player 60s strat (the light blue one). The pickups aren't an apples to apples comparison; the CV likely has ceramic pickups, and MiM (often) and most definitely American made strats have alnico pickups. The Classic Player has Custom 69 pickups. I don't get the same guitars to have every one of them to sound alike, I get different guitars because they sound different. Why didn't I simply get a CV 60s strat? I could have saved a lot, but I simply wanted a guitar I didn't want to mod in any way. And I confess I wanted the "Fender" logo on the headstock, for that magical mojo- totally psychological. I agree with every single person that says a Squier sounds every bit as good as an American strat. I also have an American strat (the Classic Player is MiM). That's the worst strat of the bunch I've had. It's a "Smith era" strat, with the output on the face of the guitar. Strats made in the 80s-90s, are the worst strats ever made- excepting the ones made in Japan, which are practically collectibles now, and cost a small fortune.

As far as Ibanez, and trems, I've had something from their RG line, with a Floyd trem, and locking nuts. IMO, the absolute best in maintaining tuning. If you've never setup a Floyd loaded guitar, good luck in learning how to change the strings. I don't whammy like Satch, so I gave the RG away. The guitar you see peeking on the far left, is an Ibanez AG-95- a jazzbox, but who says you have to play jazz on it? That may go on the selling block.

Charvel make fantastic guitars, but I think most come loaded with a Floyd Rose trem.

Now, if we're talking best bang for your bux with a trem? I say CV ALL the way. The red strat on the floor is my CV strat. I got it used from a Guitar Center for $249.99. With tax, just about $280. That's still better than most CVs I see on ebay. Percentage-wise, CVs hold value better than an American strat that's used. A new guitar loses about 30% as soon as you walk out the door, because it's "used." An American Standard Strat goes for about $1400; a MiM around $800ish or more; a CV brand new? About $400. Whew, good luck in reading this, but that's my opinion.



The Epi SG is really solid. I'm just not a great fan of the SG look. It's not worth selling on ebay, due to the shipping costs, so I may try my luck on my local facebook selling group. I may keep it, only because I can't sell. I may change my mind about ebaying it, and just take whatever $ I can get. For me, having this many guitars is bordering on insanity, when I live in a NYC apartment.

No one holds a candle to a member here...Brian Krapshank? as far as sheer number of guitars. He must have over a hundred. But he has a house, and keeps a lot of them in his garage, and office. I don't have that luxury. I'm not sure I'd have that many guitars under any circumstance.

I don't judge Brian. He's not a brand snob, buys cheap, often trades/sells. I have little patience with brand snobs. For me, a guitar is a plank of wood with pickups. I pay more for the looks, I'll admit.

Fact: an Epi LP is better designed than any Gibson LP. The angle of the head stock is about 18 degrees, and the string spread is what causes tuning issues, not to mention the quality control of Gibson has gone down in the past...10-15 years. For non-Fenders, it's Epi all the way, relative to Gibson. I'm sure there's many other brands that are just as good, but I grew up in the classic rock era, so everything was a Fender or a Gibby.
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