Guitar Forums

Go Back   Guitar Forums > The Gear > DIY

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-14-2017, 12:49 PM   #1
littlebadboy
Senior Member
 
littlebadboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Midwest, USA
Posts: 3,565
littlebadboy The Oven's On But Nothing's Cooking littlebadboy The Oven's On But Nothing's Cooking littlebadboy The Oven's On But Nothing's Cooking
Default Pickup heights balancing

Hello everyone! I mod'ed my tele. Changed bridge to humbuckers single coil sized. I'm trying to adjust pickup heights but seems I'm lost. Up to what height should the neck pup be? Then, do I adjust height of bridge split to single to balance out volume same as neck? If yes, the bridge is way down already. How far should my humbucker be from strings?
__________________
Boss GT-1 (demo), Digitech Drop, Zoom G1On, TC Ditto X4, Peavey Bandit 112 (red stripe US),
littlebadboy (personal projects) Carol Affection (90's band)
Please like my videos
littlebadboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2017, 01:00 PM   #2
Jase
Principe del Galles
 
Jase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Wales.
Posts: 18,444
Jase doesn't deserve a title Jase doesn't deserve a title Jase doesn't deserve a title Jase doesn't deserve a title Jase doesn't deserve a title Jase doesn't deserve a title Jase doesn't deserve a title Jase doesn't deserve a title Jase doesn't deserve a title Jase doesn't deserve a title Jase doesn't deserve a title
Default

Without knowing what different guitars are set factory wise, I would experiment, and set them to your liking.
Jase is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2017, 02:54 PM   #3
Hi Hat
Senior Member
 
Hi Hat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: By the snare drum
Posts: 2,579
Hi Hat The Oven's On But Nothing's Cooking Hi Hat The Oven's On But Nothing's Cooking
Default

Pickup height is a compromise. Adjust pickup height for optimum tone and the volume may be unbalanced.

So you have to get more guitars. Adjust some for tone, others for volume.
Hi Hat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2017, 04:04 PM   #4
Silimtao
Baaand
 
Silimtao's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: here
Posts: 35,538
Silimtao REALY needs to get a life Silimtao REALY needs to get a life Silimtao REALY needs to get a life Silimtao REALY needs to get a life Silimtao REALY needs to get a life Silimtao REALY needs to get a life Silimtao REALY needs to get a life Silimtao REALY needs to get a life Silimtao REALY needs to get a life Silimtao REALY needs to get a life Silimtao REALY needs to get a life
Default

You simply have to experiment is my experience. It can make a huge difference in tone/sound. Generally speaking, I don't think you want high output pickups too close to the strings. Output doesn't tell the whole story- type of magnets plays into the picture.
__________________
Instant Karma's gonna get you......

Not until we are lost do we begin to understand ourselves. - Thoreau

Works of art make rules but rules do not make works of art. - Debussy.
Silimtao is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2017, 04:59 PM   #5
Keith
Keeping the pocket
 
Keith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 6,982
Keith has a craving for an ass-waxing Keith has a craving for an ass-waxing Keith has a craving for an ass-waxing Keith has a craving for an ass-waxing Keith has a craving for an ass-waxing Keith has a craving for an ass-waxing Keith has a craving for an ass-waxing Keith has a craving for an ass-waxing Keith has a craving for an ass-waxing Keith has a craving for an ass-waxing Keith has a craving for an ass-waxing
Default

Yeah, Slim is quite right on this.

#1, hot pups need to be farther away from the strings. Most of the time, I will keep bridge HB's that range from 11k-15k at 3/16ths from the strings (Flat) for a starting point and run the guitar into my rig and check what the tones and gains are like with everything on (pedals), then off and adjust as needed. 1/4 turns up or down make a big difference, so it's getting the bridge done first, then move on to the neck.

Tele neck pups generally run around the 7k mark, so bringing them closer to the strings to match the volume of the bridge will give you a bit more gain, but will also bring in more mud tone.

In the neck, I like to keep it just over 1/8th on the high E for to even out the volume on the high end, and around 3/16ths on the low E.

It's all about trial and error.

Start fresh with both pups at 3/16ths and go from there.
__________________
Live life large, love larger than life and play like tomorrow is the last day.
Forum Admin
Keith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2017, 06:24 PM   #6
littlebadboy
Senior Member
 
littlebadboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Midwest, USA
Posts: 3,565
littlebadboy The Oven's On But Nothing's Cooking littlebadboy The Oven's On But Nothing's Cooking littlebadboy The Oven's On But Nothing's Cooking
Default

Thanks all! Measurements are done while pressing strings on last fret, right?
__________________
Boss GT-1 (demo), Digitech Drop, Zoom G1On, TC Ditto X4, Peavey Bandit 112 (red stripe US),
littlebadboy (personal projects) Carol Affection (90's band)
Please like my videos
littlebadboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2017, 10:55 PM   #7
Tony Done
Senior Member
 
Tony Done's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 2,518
Tony Done The Oven's On But Nothing's Cooking Tony Done The Oven's On But Nothing's Cooking
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebadboy View Post
Thanks all! Measurements are done while pressing strings on last fret, right?
Yes, but I just eyeball rather than measure it, and trust my ears. What to do about split versus standard series will be a compromise. I would probably aim to balance single with with the neck pickup, for 1) tonal reasons, 2) The single would likely to too weak to be useful if you balanced for series and 3) you could think of series as a booster switch for solos, driving OD etc. However, I have one guitar with pickups with big differences in output, and I wouldn't bother with series/split switching on it.
Tony Done is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2017, 12:53 AM   #8
PKVeazey
Old Timer
 
PKVeazey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: South Central Virginia
Posts: 900
PKVeazey Just getting started
Default

This is advice and advice only. There is no magic formula. It's getting the most GOOD sound without wasting any. Ideally, the pickup's would be flat even with the pickguard so the pick wouldn't ever hit them. That ain't gonna happen because they wouldn't be very loud and you would never get any natural DIRT. Start with the neck pickup and raise it until there is no pick (plectrum) interference. For obvious reasons, dont let the pickup be higher than the last fret. Then adjust the pickup so the bass side is the same volume as the treble side. Then do the exact same thing to the bridge pickup and make them both be the same volume. If you raise them too high, the magnets actually interfere with the string vibration. Especially if they are Super Slinkies. With all that said, somebody else will tell you something else and that's OK. Try everything until you get what you want.
PKVeazey is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2017, 12:27 PM   #9
DanRode
Dixie Flatline
 
DanRode's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Northeast Ohio
Posts: 1,440
DanRode The Oven's On But Nothing's Cooking DanRode The Oven's On But Nothing's Cooking DanRode The Oven's On But Nothing's Cooking
Default

Measurements are nice as a starting point but for me it's a lot like getting into a new car. You adjust the seat, steering wheel, mirrors, tune the radio to a good station. There's no right setup; you go with what you like best.

I start with something that looks "about right" or even the factory specs. Then I play a bit and listen. I'll get them pretty close to the strings to see how that sounds and then drop them way down to get a feel for that. I'm constantly switching between pickups the whole time. Once I have a feel for how they sound, I'll adjust the one to where it sounds best overall and I'll adjust the other to match. After a playing while, I'll go back and tweak it some more based on what I hear. It might sound awful to someone else but it's what my ears liked
__________________
You practice and you get better. It's very simple. - Phillip Glass
DanRode is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 09:06 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Guitar Competition | Piano Lessons